Dear surinder97,
Your comments at danielpipes.org received a response, which can be seen at: http://www.danielpipes.org/comments/182049
Sincerely,
Daniel Pipes' staff
Subj: New Age Islam
1. Submitted by Rita Datta (India), Jan 26, 2011 at 00:26
What venom, Surinder97. Perhaps you were a victim of the Partition, I don't know. But before lashing out at Muslims, please reflect on the viciousness of the caste system in Hindu society that treated human beings worse than animals. What is more, the concept of rebirth LEGITIMISED the practice and ruled out revolt by blaming the low castes themselves for their status! And please don't say the caste system isn't sanctioned by Hinduism because a late hymn in the Rig Veda does exactly that.
I've just discovered New Age Islam and feel it is trying to do something extremely important. The kind of intolerance shown by the jihadists was actually thought ideal behaviour in Christianity, too, at one time. Remember, the punishment for heresy used to be burning at the stake. Many Protestants faced such an end in Catholic countries. Don't forget their intolerance towards the Jews. But then, the Jews also divided the world into two categories: Jews and Gentiles. Unfortunately, despite the atrocities they suffered at the hands of the Christians, especially in Germany, their treatment of Arabs in Israel is that of Nazis towards them. Just read the Jewish author, Susan Nathan's Other Side of Israel to verify what I'm saying.
cAs a Bengali Hindu who's mixed with Bengali Muslims closely I can't help but despair at Surinder's remarks. And, having been a teacher, I had the chance to interact with numerous Muslim girls who'll make a great difference to the community as mothers and professionals, I promise. As an Indian I feel proud of our plural cultural in which pre-Aryan tribal, Hindu, Jain, Buddhist, Islamic and Christian influences have mingled richly. That's what makes India unique. Islam is going through a great churning from which it will, I'm sure, emerge stronger. And that strength will increase the tolerance of the community, too.
2. COMMENT: This Moslem lady, using the Hindu name of Rita Datta, to throw her spitefulness against Kafir-Hindus, is practising Al Taqiyya, fully codified & approved in Islam. According to Quran, deception, also known as Al Taqiyya, is not only permitted, but sometimes obligatory on Moslems, in dealing with Kafirs.
3. Quote: What venom, Surinder97. Perhaps you were a victim of the Partition, I don't know.
COMMENT: If you label " telling Islam like it is, " as venom, you will surely be misnaming it.
4. Quote: But before lashing out at Muslims, please reflect on the viciousness of the caste system in Hindu society that treated human beings worse than animals. What is more, the concept of rebirth LEGITIMISED the practice and ruled out revolt by blaming the low castes themselves for their status! And please don't say the caste system isn't sanctioned by Hinduism because a late hymn in the Rig Veda does exactly that.
COMMENT: We Hindus are not perfect, and have never claimed ourselves or our religion to be perfect. We do not lie through our teeth like Moslems, who claim Islam to be a perfect religion, which certainly it is not.
Hindu religion is a reform-religion by definition, based as it is on the Vedas/Vidya or knowledge. My conversation with dozens & dozens of Hindus in India ( every one of whom stated that, caste system is not only obsolete, but obsolete-obsolete ), makes my optitmism more certain. Hinduism is advancing towards Integral-Hinduism ( totally casteless Hinduism0, albeit slowly, but surely.
Such is not the case with her Islam, which is stuck in mud, in the mud of barbaric Bedouin customs & rituals. The glaring difference is bery bery ( very very ) obvious.
5. Quote: I've just discovered New Age Islam and feel it is trying to do something extremely important. The kind of intolerance shown by the jihadists was actually thought ideal behaviour in Christianity, too, at one time. Remember, the punishment for heresy used to be burning at the stake. Many Protestants faced such an end in Catholic countries. Don't forget their intolerance towards the Jews. But then, the Jews also divided the world into two categories: Jews and Gentiles. Unfortunately, despite the atrocities they suffered at the hands of the Christians, especially in Germany, their treatment of Arabs in Israel is that of Nazis towards them. Just read the Jewish author, Susan Nathan's Other Side of Israel to verify what I'm saying.
COMMENT: Like Judaism & Christianity, Islam is also an Abrahamic religion, and shares many of their characteristics, but blaming Islam's problems on Judaism or Christianity's copy-cats, is a diversionary-tactic, for her to work up a fit of indignation at Kafir-Hindus, for criticizing her good-for-nothing Islam.
6. Quote: As a Bengali Hindu who's mixed with Bengali Muslims closely I can't help but despair at Surinder's remarks. And, having been a teacher, I had the chance to interact with numerous Muslim girls who'll make a great difference to the community as mothers and professionals, I promise.
COMMENT: My sympathies for the Moslem Women are enormous. I want to wipe the tears, from every eye of the Moslem women ( Rita Datta included ). Islam's treatment of its women is worse than disgraceful.
Let us face the reality head-on. Islam's world has been a male's world, in which a woman has no rights, and has the lowest position. Islam's mistreatment of its women, is based on revealed truths, on Quran & Allah's commands. They have heavely sanction, and are un-alterable. To seek to change them, is not only a crime against Islam, but a rebellion against Allah.
7. Numerous examples of Islam's aresenal of barbarism can be cited, from UK, USA, Pakistan, India, and other places.
Look at Malaysia, the so called advanced Isalmic country, as debated by some hyper delusional minds, the Hindus here received death threats and violent protest by the majority Muslim just to build a temple to one of their neighbourhood.
Shia / Shiite sect of Mohammaddenism is banned by law in Mohammadden majority Malaysia:
8. Likewise, Rita Datta's optimism about Islam & its picture-post barbarism, is delusional. It is not fact-based.
Surinder Paul Attri
Wednesday, January 26, 2011
Sunday, January 23, 2011
Sikhs in Punjab are targeted by Christian Missionaries
1. Quote: Sikhs in Punjab are targeted by Christian Missionaries
http://www.christianaggression.org/features_sikhism.php
Strong message to fools who are in the desperate mood to divide India further into pieces by their sheer ignorance: In fact the fools are helping the Weston cause to quickly establish the dirty agenda - divided they can quicken up their conversion process.
Eventually they want to finish India but if the fools wake-up, realize and join together, then the forces of evil can be defeated but they are more interested to divide India further. The utter fools knowing well the character of these two religious orders won't understand because their selfish agenda is bigger. In the year 1994, Muslims kicked all Sikhs out of Afghanistan; destroyed the oldest Gurdwara; and their women to go under Burqas to be covered from head to toes where they would have couple of inches to peak outside world. They wanted to make sure that Sikh girls never attend schools. By dividing India, their dependency to the Western world becomes greater and thus they are easily targeted by missionaries to become Christians. If they scream, their foreign aid is shut down. These are the stories of many nations around the globe. Utter Fools, it is time to pull out from the very ignorant mentality and rise above it.
2. COMMENT: Religion is and has always been a competitive business. It is a cause for sorrow that, majority of Hindu, and majority of Hindu Holy Men ( HHMs ) do not grasp, the reality of this fact of life.
Among the religions of the world, Abrahamic religions of Islam & Christianity, particularly totally subscribe to this competitive nature of religion, and regard religion as an area of total-war. Gaining tactical advantage over one's competitors ( and enemies ) is considered by them as acceptable, and completely legit ( legitimate ). Drawing on this motivation, intensified competitive activity takes place within both Islam & Christianity, within " a war-language " that enables the Grease-Monkeys of Islam & Christianity ( the Islamic & Christian Clergies ) to marshall Islamic/Christian followers to Jehadic actions against Kafirs/Pagan ( Non-Moslem & Non-Christian Infidels ).
3. Neither Islam nor Christianity is a religion, nor are they minorities, they are both ideologies. They are both determined to exterminate the Kafir Hindu & his Vedic religion, from the soil of India. Regardless of what they say or do not say, they are not at all interested in the freedom of faith, nor in the human rights of the Kafir Hindu. They are highly intolerant to those, who do not follow their faith. This significant difference from the attitude of the Hindu, must be recognized & exposed. Quran specifically prevents Moslems from uniting with, non-believers ( Non-Moslem Kafirs )
4. Practically, all the Moslems & Christians of India, are past Hindus. Although a true Moslem/Christian cannot enter into friendship with a Kafir/Pagan/Heathen, they can be made aware of the anti-national policies of their religions ( ideologies ). The thoughtless & arbitrary attitude of Allah of Quran & of Jehovah of Bible, cannot appeal to any rational man, Moslem, Christian, or Hindu.
Islam is at war with every other religion of the world. Reason: The so-called religion of peace, Islam, is in fact is a religion of war. Its Quran is a manual of hate, loaded with hate-propaganda.
5. It is important to watch the attitude of Moslems, towards the terrorist actions of their co-religionists. While rumors of a Quran desecration or a Muhammad cartoon bring out deadly protests, riots, arson and effigy-burnings, the mass murder of non-Muslims generally evokes yawns. In the six years following 9/11 more than 10,000 acts of deadly Islamic terrorism were perpetrated, yet all of them together fail to provoke the sort of outrage on the part of most Muslims that the mere mention of Abu Ghraib or Guantanamo inspires.
6. Conclusion: Do not believe the propaganda of Islam. Beneath the rosy assurances from Muslim apologists that Islam is about peace and tolerance lies a much darker reality that better explains the violence and deeply-rooted indifference. Quite simply, the Quran teaches supremacy, hate and hostility.
Surinder Paul Attri
http://www.christianaggression.org/features_sikhism.php
Strong message to fools who are in the desperate mood to divide India further into pieces by their sheer ignorance: In fact the fools are helping the Weston cause to quickly establish the dirty agenda - divided they can quicken up their conversion process.
Eventually they want to finish India but if the fools wake-up, realize and join together, then the forces of evil can be defeated but they are more interested to divide India further. The utter fools knowing well the character of these two religious orders won't understand because their selfish agenda is bigger. In the year 1994, Muslims kicked all Sikhs out of Afghanistan; destroyed the oldest Gurdwara; and their women to go under Burqas to be covered from head to toes where they would have couple of inches to peak outside world. They wanted to make sure that Sikh girls never attend schools. By dividing India, their dependency to the Western world becomes greater and thus they are easily targeted by missionaries to become Christians. If they scream, their foreign aid is shut down. These are the stories of many nations around the globe. Utter Fools, it is time to pull out from the very ignorant mentality and rise above it.
2. COMMENT: Religion is and has always been a competitive business. It is a cause for sorrow that, majority of Hindu, and majority of Hindu Holy Men ( HHMs ) do not grasp, the reality of this fact of life.
Among the religions of the world, Abrahamic religions of Islam & Christianity, particularly totally subscribe to this competitive nature of religion, and regard religion as an area of total-war. Gaining tactical advantage over one's competitors ( and enemies ) is considered by them as acceptable, and completely legit ( legitimate ). Drawing on this motivation, intensified competitive activity takes place within both Islam & Christianity, within " a war-language " that enables the Grease-Monkeys of Islam & Christianity ( the Islamic & Christian Clergies ) to marshall Islamic/Christian followers to Jehadic actions against Kafirs/Pagan ( Non-Moslem & Non-Christian Infidels ).
3. Neither Islam nor Christianity is a religion, nor are they minorities, they are both ideologies. They are both determined to exterminate the Kafir Hindu & his Vedic religion, from the soil of India. Regardless of what they say or do not say, they are not at all interested in the freedom of faith, nor in the human rights of the Kafir Hindu. They are highly intolerant to those, who do not follow their faith. This significant difference from the attitude of the Hindu, must be recognized & exposed. Quran specifically prevents Moslems from uniting with, non-believers ( Non-Moslem Kafirs )
4. Practically, all the Moslems & Christians of India, are past Hindus. Although a true Moslem/Christian cannot enter into friendship with a Kafir/Pagan/Heathen, they can be made aware of the anti-national policies of their religions ( ideologies ). The thoughtless & arbitrary attitude of Allah of Quran & of Jehovah of Bible, cannot appeal to any rational man, Moslem, Christian, or Hindu.
Islam is at war with every other religion of the world. Reason: The so-called religion of peace, Islam, is in fact is a religion of war. Its Quran is a manual of hate, loaded with hate-propaganda.
5. It is important to watch the attitude of Moslems, towards the terrorist actions of their co-religionists. While rumors of a Quran desecration or a Muhammad cartoon bring out deadly protests, riots, arson and effigy-burnings, the mass murder of non-Muslims generally evokes yawns. In the six years following 9/11 more than 10,000 acts of deadly Islamic terrorism were perpetrated, yet all of them together fail to provoke the sort of outrage on the part of most Muslims that the mere mention of Abu Ghraib or Guantanamo inspires.
6. Conclusion: Do not believe the propaganda of Islam. Beneath the rosy assurances from Muslim apologists that Islam is about peace and tolerance lies a much darker reality that better explains the violence and deeply-rooted indifference. Quite simply, the Quran teaches supremacy, hate and hostility.
Surinder Paul Attri
Wednesday, January 12, 2011
Lying about Islam
Subj: Lying about Islam
1. Quote: Dear Prathiba, do you see any problem with Islamic world which you have embraced. You wrote a chapter in one book :"We are all Muslims." If you are like a Muslim in Sudan, Tunishia, Pakistan, then where is basis for the pride? In all these Muslim countries women are equal to half the men.
COMMENT: Whether Pratibha sees any problem with Islam or not, you don't have to crack any mystery to notice that, Islam is brutal, barbaric, and sheer hypocrisy.In Islam, all rights and privileges are reserved solely for Moslem men. In Islam, women are a condemned lot, just like the Non-Moslem Kafirs.
Pratibha needs to make a list of all the wrongs done to women in Islam. That will clear the air for her, but she is going to do no such thing. Look at the way she talks. Afraid of the truth, she uses diversionary tactics, and is constantly devising ways to attack Kafirs ( Non-Moslem Infidels ), that her faith constantly condemns. That is why she is trying to be mean to Kafirs, and come out with something real nasty.
2. Since she is trying so hard to defend her, good-for-nothing Islam, what is she going to do in her after-life. There are no male-counterparts of 72 Houris in Janat ( Moslem's Paradise ) for her. So much for the equality & justice in Islam.
3. Let us say what needs to be said. Islam is the most effective tool of imperialism, Islam achieves this aim through the medium of faith in Muhammad. What is that imbecile ( Muhammad ) going to do for the women of Islam ( like Pratibha Sundaram ) ?
4. My sympathies for the suffering women of Islam ( who are victims of Islam's barbarism ), are enormous. May Allah destroy those who enslave & humiliate the women in Islam.
Surinder Paul Attri
1. Quote: Dear Prathiba, do you see any problem with Islamic world which you have embraced. You wrote a chapter in one book :"We are all Muslims." If you are like a Muslim in Sudan, Tunishia, Pakistan, then where is basis for the pride? In all these Muslim countries women are equal to half the men.
COMMENT: Whether Pratibha sees any problem with Islam or not, you don't have to crack any mystery to notice that, Islam is brutal, barbaric, and sheer hypocrisy.In Islam, all rights and privileges are reserved solely for Moslem men. In Islam, women are a condemned lot, just like the Non-Moslem Kafirs.
Pratibha needs to make a list of all the wrongs done to women in Islam. That will clear the air for her, but she is going to do no such thing. Look at the way she talks. Afraid of the truth, she uses diversionary tactics, and is constantly devising ways to attack Kafirs ( Non-Moslem Infidels ), that her faith constantly condemns. That is why she is trying to be mean to Kafirs, and come out with something real nasty.
2. Since she is trying so hard to defend her, good-for-nothing Islam, what is she going to do in her after-life. There are no male-counterparts of 72 Houris in Janat ( Moslem's Paradise ) for her. So much for the equality & justice in Islam.
3. Let us say what needs to be said. Islam is the most effective tool of imperialism, Islam achieves this aim through the medium of faith in Muhammad. What is that imbecile ( Muhammad ) going to do for the women of Islam ( like Pratibha Sundaram ) ?
4. My sympathies for the suffering women of Islam ( who are victims of Islam's barbarism ), are enormous. May Allah destroy those who enslave & humiliate the women in Islam.
Surinder Paul Attri
Lying to a Kafir in Islam
Subj: Lying to a Kafir in Islam
1. Quote: Last month (Dec. 6) terrorists struck Varanasi. Indian Mujahideen claimed responsibility, and even an e-mail about this blast was discovered. So do you think, Prathiba Sundaram is right that she can not find a single Muslim terrorist in India?
COMMENT: Pratibha Sundaram is a Moslem. Never mind her Hindu name, it is a perfect camouflage to deceive the Kafir-Hindu.Her bias & bigotry are showpiece. She is attacking whomsoever she deems as a Kafir ( Non-Moslem Infidel ), an enemy of Islam. She is trying to bolster & assert the authority of Islam. She is completely shutting her eyes to the evils of Islam, to the reality that women have no rights in Islam.
2. She is unable to question the basic ideology & assumptions of her Islam, and terrorism of Islam is a product of this ideology. Islam keeps telling us that, Jehad means an effort or struggle to, control one's lusts, passions, desires, and so on. Let us not be silly and tell it like it is. In simple language,
Jehad means: " kill the Kafir, take his woman as a slave, loot his property, etc etc "
3. Islam's prophet Hazrat Mohammad can send a rapist, a thief, a killer Moslem to Janat ( Moslem's paradise ) where seventy-two houris & many handsome boys, await the Jehadi Moslem, for whom the Prophet intercedes.
4. So much for the good conduct of Islam & its terrorists, which Pratibha Sundaram defends. Lying to a Kafir is O.K. for a Moslem. No Moslem wakes up in cold sweat & asks himself/herself: Why did you lie to a Kafir ?
It is a great paradox for Islam & its Sullas/Sullies.
Surinder Paul Attri
1. Quote: Last month (Dec. 6) terrorists struck Varanasi. Indian Mujahideen claimed responsibility, and even an e-mail about this blast was discovered. So do you think, Prathiba Sundaram is right that she can not find a single Muslim terrorist in India?
COMMENT: Pratibha Sundaram is a Moslem. Never mind her Hindu name, it is a perfect camouflage to deceive the Kafir-Hindu.Her bias & bigotry are showpiece. She is attacking whomsoever she deems as a Kafir ( Non-Moslem Infidel ), an enemy of Islam. She is trying to bolster & assert the authority of Islam. She is completely shutting her eyes to the evils of Islam, to the reality that women have no rights in Islam.
2. She is unable to question the basic ideology & assumptions of her Islam, and terrorism of Islam is a product of this ideology. Islam keeps telling us that, Jehad means an effort or struggle to, control one's lusts, passions, desires, and so on. Let us not be silly and tell it like it is. In simple language,
Jehad means: " kill the Kafir, take his woman as a slave, loot his property, etc etc "
3. Islam's prophet Hazrat Mohammad can send a rapist, a thief, a killer Moslem to Janat ( Moslem's paradise ) where seventy-two houris & many handsome boys, await the Jehadi Moslem, for whom the Prophet intercedes.
4. So much for the good conduct of Islam & its terrorists, which Pratibha Sundaram defends. Lying to a Kafir is O.K. for a Moslem. No Moslem wakes up in cold sweat & asks himself/herself: Why did you lie to a Kafir ?
It is a great paradox for Islam & its Sullas/Sullies.
Surinder Paul Attri
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