Subj: Shri Ravi Shankar
1. A large majority ( 80 to 90 % ) of the Hindu Holy Men ( HHMs: Sadhus, Sants, Sanyasis, Sanyasins, Priest, Shankaracharys et al ), are Phoney-Liberal to one degree or another. The true character & dimension of Islamic & Christian aggression against the Hindu, does not register in their awareness. It is an enormous problem, almost night-marish. These HHMs are “ totally unfit “ to either defend Hinduism or to strengthen, reform, and revitalize the Hindu Society. By howling & hooting their Phoney-Liberal & Namby-Pamby statements, they have thrown the Hindu Society, on the defensive, and made them more vulnerable to further aggression by Islam & Christianity. These are the WKOP ( Wrong Kind Of People ) to organize a potent & ideological defense & strength of the Hindu. We Hindus have absolutely no need for these WKOP, we do not need them any more than, we need a hole in our head.
2. Shri Ravi Shankar, though he is Phoney-Liberal, is still just one person. Picking on Shri Ravi Shankar ( as some Hindus have been doing ), has the risk of trivializing the problem of Phoney-Liberalism, which in materiality is a colossal-conundrum.
We Hindus ought to expend our energies on finding the RKOP ( Right Kind Of People ) & the RHHM ( Right Kind Of Hindu Holy Men ), who are smart, ready, and able to shoulder the responsibility of Hinduism Defense & Strength. Their job is to organize the Hindu Society, to cut the teeth of the aggressor societies of Islam & Christianity. There is no reason at all to think even for a moment that, the aggressive ideologies of Islam & Christianity, have either changed their agenda or their intention.
3. We Hindus must confront both Islam & Christianity, and adopt a Forward Policy. For this to succeed, the Hindu needs to wake up pretty-damn fast.
Surinder Paul Attri
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Submitted by Nishi (India), Aug 27, 2008 at 23:20
Mahamahim Dear Sri S P Attri Ji Maharaj,
You wrote
"What I am saying is that:
Islam is evil
2. What I am saying is the Anti-thesis of Bush's dictum. I am not hiding behind political double-talk, but stating flat out that:
Islam is an Imperialist political ideology ( doctrine ). It is a lethal doctrine that has done colossal damage to innocent Kafir-Humanity, and will do more damage, as long as it survives.
The 1400 year old record of Islam, fully endorses my assertion."
Instead of saying much I only reitrate again that you are very deeply affected by 'Islamophobia'. You appear to be bigger threat to World Peace, because of your extremist & terrorising thoughts than Bush.
You appear to be an apologist belonging to the "Gang" which is treating Muslims & Islam as threat to their criminal Ideology of Hate, suppression of thoughts of Peace & equality etc.
May the Satan, in which you believe so immensly, leave your body & soul, to ALLOW YOU to return to the Path of love, peace, humanity, equality amongst all the people, as early as possible.
We all hope for the best of you in life, despite your criminal intent towards humanity & peace.
Submitted by Nishi (India), Aug 27, 2008 at 23:20
Mahamahim Dear Sri S P Attri Ji Maharaj,
You wrote
"What I am saying is that:
Islam is evil
2. What I am saying is the Anti-thesis of Bush's dictum. I am not hiding behind political double-talk, but stating flat out that:
Islam is an Imperialist political ideology ( doctrine ). It is a lethal doctrine that has done colossal damage to innocent Kafir-Humanity, and will do more damage, as long as it survives.
The 1400 year old record of Islam, fully endorses my assertion."
Instead of saying much I only reitrate again that you are very deeply affected by 'Islamophobia'. You appear to be bigger threat to World Peace, because of your extremist & terrorising thoughts than Bush.
You appear to be an apologist belonging to the "Gang" which is treating Muslims & Islam as threat to their criminal Ideology of Hate, suppression of thoughts of Peace & equality etc.
May the Satan, in which you believe so immensly, leave your body & soul, to ALLOW YOU to return to the Path of love, peace, humanity, equality amongst all the people, as early as possible.
We all hope for the best of you in life, despite your criminal intent towards humanity & peace.
2. My Take:
I generally ignore messages, where the disposition is on personal attacks or deal with them only, when I have nothing better to do.
Nishi Jee: You are transmitting mixed-signals.
One day you put me at the back of the bus, and call me Gadha.
Next day you place me at the front of the bus, and label me as Mahamahim.
3. Quote: Instead of saying much I only reitrate again that you are very deeply affected by 'Islamophobia'.
COMMENT: Nishi Jee: Read my previous message, where I elucidated my total-disconnect with Islamophobia.
4. Quote: You appear to be bigger threat to World Peace, because of your extremist & terrorising thoughts than Bush.
COMMENT: Nishi Jee: I expose Islam’s criminal wave of barbarism ( backed by 1400 years of Islamic history ), and its hostility to the Kafir humanity of the world. My objective is to protect innocent civilized Kafir-humanity of the world. Your description is completely-basackward.
5. Quote: You appear to be an apologist belonging to the "Gang" which is treating Muslims & Islam as threat to their criminal Ideology of Hate, suppression of thoughts of Peace & equality etc.
COMMENT: Nishi Jee: It is Islam that is conducting its Holy-War ( Jehad ), against Kafir-Humanity, to engender conquest of Kafir territories, & capture of Kafir property including Kafir women et al. Islam assigns to Moslems, a duty to conduct Jehad, to lead Islamic political revolution to final victory. It is Islam that is suppressing peace, equality, democracy or civilized treatment of humanity, including Islam’s degrading treatment of its women. I am only stripping Islam of its camouflage of peace, love, and brotherhood . Islam is exact-opposite.
6. Nish Jee: Do I need to describe the genocides that, Moslems have conducted in the name of Allah ? Or should I describe the degradation of women & the inferior position imposed on the women, by Islamic law ? Or should I describe the life of Hazrat Mohammad, to illustrate what kind of “ champion of feminism “
Hazrat Mohammad was ? Or should I relate that in Islam, in terms of inheritance, a woman has half the share of a man, and her vote counts for half that of a woman ?
If you examine Islam, with an open & relaxed mind, you will have hell of a time, warming up to Islam.
7. Quote: May the Satan, in which you believe so immensly, leave your body & soul, to ALLOW YOU to return to the Path of love, peace, humanity, equality amongst all the people, as early as possible.
COMMENT: Nishi Jee: Please don’t make me laugh. Satan ( Shaitaan ) is a totally-imaginary creature ( it is a creature of no-existence ). It is a creature of the imagination of Moslems. It is a self-created catastrophe & a self-created prison of the Moslems. Even your Allah cannot exorcise this imaginary creature, out of you or your co-religionists. Satan ( Shaitaan ) sizzles in Islam, all day long. If Moslems stopped believing in Shaitaan, it will change their life, and will take that much away, from their belief in Islam
I am certainly not a Moslem, and I have no connect with your Satan ( Shaitaan ).
8. Quote: We all hope for the best of you in life, despite your criminal intent towards humanity & peace.
COMMENT: No Nishi Jee: I have no evil intent toward humanity, not even you. I have nothing but warm regards for you.
Surinder Paul Attri
HONOR-KILLING IN PAKISTAN
By S.P. Attri ( USA )
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1. Pakistan has several claims to its fame, but Honor-Killing ( of women & girls ) is the biggest feather in the cap of Pakistan. This feather reveals the true extent of its madness for the honor of Islam, through the dis-honor of its women & lays bare its utter depravity & evil, through the degradation of its Moslem women. Some punishments meted out to women are even more cursed than death.
MULTAN, Pakistan July 2 — A Pakistani tribal council ordered an 18-year-old girl to be gang-raped in order to punish her family after her brother was seen walking with a girl from a higher class tribe, police said Tuesday.
2. It is not known to many that, the legal & social status of womankind in Al-Islam is Exceptionally-Low. Moslem wife has many disadvantages compared with her Non-Moslem sisters. A Moslem man treats his woman/women as if they were created by Allah, only for his pleasure, as his sex-objects. He carries no reverence, regard nor any respect for what she is, her worth as a vehicle of life or a vehicle of creation ( for which status the Hindus call her a goddess ). A Moslem man sees no such greatness in his woman/women, he only sees her as a source of danger to him.
Ibn Warraq quotes Shaykh & Abu Nuwas:
Women are demons and were born as such
No one can trust them as is known to all
If they love a man it is only out of caprice
And he to whom they are most cruel loves them most
Beings full of treachery & trickery, I aver
That man that loves you truly is a lost man
3. A complete inventory of a woman’s faults as seen by Moslem men & by their famous leader, Hazrat Mohammad ( such as deceit, guile, ingratitude, greed, insatiable lust, etc, in short a gateway to hell ) would fill a good sized book. It reveals the great contempt that a Moslem man feels for woman. It leaves no doubt at all that Islam relegates women to the status of inferior beings. That is why Islam degrades women.
4. To describe Islam as sex-positive, as is done by Moslems & some apologists for Islam, is huge Phoney-Baloney, it is the biggest insult to all Moslem women. Islam regards woman’s sexuality as something un-holy, something to be feared, something to be repressed, something that is a work of the Shaitaan (Devil ). That is why the Moslem man feels great contempt for the woman. It may seem incredible that Islam has been able to maintain such a terrible hold on the life of the Moslem people. But Islam’s control has been made easy because of its totalitarian nature. Islamic law controls the religious, social, and political life of all Moslems, without qualification. The all-embracing ( with total control ) Islamic law does not distinguish between ritual law, ethics, and good manners. It intrudes into every nook & corner of the believer’s life & of the Islamic community. In its simplicity, Islamic law is a doctrine of duties, these are the duties which are susceptible to control by human authority ( the Islamic Clergy ) instituted in the name of Allah.
5. Islam’s barbaric conquests, trampled under foot, and permanently destroyed many advanced cultures. Islam’s aggressiveness & its dark theology continue un-abated, cutting off generations of people from their rich cultural heritage, and destroying the well-being of the people, especially of the Moslem women, who are under its direct control.
Honor-Killing which is wide-spread in Pakistan is a by-product of the teachings of Islam, which prescribes male control of women. Most Moslem women accept the Prescribed ( Prescribed by Islam ) male control over every aspect of their life, their bodies, their speech & behavior, as part of their KISMET ( Fate ). But Moslem men regard their prescribed Islamic role as an established & un-impeachable proprietary right over women, and they exercise this right/control with violence.
6. A Moslem woman who has been subjected to rape, brings shame to her family, just as she would if she engaged in a consensual relationship, she is considered no damn good. The rapist often goes Scot-Free, largely because of the absence of male-witnesses to the rape (a queer code of Islamic Law ), a woman’s evidence does not account for anything. A woman raped shames the community, and dishonors her man ( her husband ) but does not dishonor the rapist. She has to be eliminated to restore the honor of the family, and of the community. But rape is not the only reason for honor-killing in Pakistan.
Honor-killing can occur during a divorce or during the choice of a marriage partner, or for a variety of other reasons. The perpetrators of honor-killing are seldom punished because the Moslem society, the police & the judges, have a well-marked gender-bias, in direct obedience to the teachings of Islam.
7. In civilized societies, both men & women are entitled to equal rights, but such is not the case in Islamic societies, and certainly not in Pakistan. In Pakistan, the right to life for women is “ conditional ,“ it depends upon Islamic rules, social norms & customs of Islamic societies. Women in Pakistan ( and in Islam in general ) are killed like hen, they neither have any say in what happens to them, nor have they any way of escaping. All kinds of violence & abuse are heaped upon the women of Pakistan, at the hands of male perpetrators, family members, and state agents. Violence include rape, domestic abuse, spousal murder, mutilation, burning, disfiguring faces by acid, beatings, custodial-torture, and HONOR-KILLING.
Hundreds of women of Pakistan are reportedly killed each year, in all parts of the country, all of them in the name of honor. Many more killings go un-reported. The teachings of Islam, which prescribes seclusion, and submission of women to men, bountifully contribute to the murder of Moslem women..
8. If women ever exert their own right, it leads to more repression & punishment. State indifference, Islamic teachings & Islamic laws, and gender bias of police & judiciary, ensure a total impunity for the perpetrators of honor-killing.
The use of the term “ Honor “ is as Dishonorable as can be. It is only a pretax to murder women & commit heinous crimes against them. Does anybody in Pakistan raise his voice when, women are openly sold in the market ? Is this an honorable thing to do ?
9. But in the Islamic system of Pakistan, the concepts of right & wrong are Basackward. The man to whom a woman belongs, whether a wife, sister or daughter, has to kill her, in order to restore his honor. In Pakistan, he becomes the victim, as he has suffered loss, first to his honor, and then of the woman he has to kill. Consequently, he becomes the aggrieved person, and the sympathies of the entire family ( tribe ) go with him. As a result, the killer ( the man who kills his woman ) becomes the GHAIRAT-MAAN ( one who possesses honor ), and he is supported morally & legally by all his relatives. On the other hand, a man who fails to kill a women of his household is considered BE-GHAIRAT ( one who is without honor ). As a result of this Basackward custom, honor-killings are not hidden away, but openly performed, often ritually & by spilling maximum blood.
The people who do these killings, take pride in their actions, when in fact they should be ashamed of their dishonorable act & not take pride.
The progressive brutalization of Pakistani society, over the past few decades, is partly responsible for increasing incidences of honor-killings.
10. The male control of woman in Islam, has turned woman into a commodity. This commodification of woman directly contributes to the honor killing. The woman is treated as a commodity or object, which can be exchanged, bought & sold ( as she is considered property of the males in the family ). A woman is thus equated with money. Even though the woman has monetary value, her worth is essentially that of a commodity, which means that she may be butchered if, she transgresses the conditions under which, she is bound to man for life. She may also be freely traded or given away, as part of a Karo-Kari settlement.
Surinder Paul Attri
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1. Anonymous has left a new comment on your post "The conversion tactics of the Adventist Christian ...":
Regarding this posting: I think if you are going to quote the Bible, it's important that you quote ALL the Bible that deals with the topic at hand...for example, Matthew 5:21 & 44 which says, "Thou shalt not kill. You shouldn't even be angry with your brother without cause." And "Love your enemies and bless them that curse you!" Christianity is not a religion of violence, but of LOVE.
Also, Christ instructs us first to rescue our own sheep (the house of Israel) but THEN to go and share his love with the world. Matt 28:19,20. And John 15:12, "This is my commandment that ye love one another, as I have loved you."
Our God offers his love freely, and He bids us to share it....but He does nothing by force or fear!! He wants everyone to have the freedom to choose...He even tells us we can choose our own gods. (Josh 24:15) Why can't our Hindu brothers and sisters allow this love and freedom as well??
Your Friend,
Peace
2. My Take:
Signor Peace is defending his Christian faith, with an iron sense of duty., but he is Not well-informed about Christianity at all. If he explores Christianity seriously, he would discover that Christianity is Not a religion of LOVE, that he has been led to believe (and which he claims ). That Christianity is a religion of Love is, what the Christians want you to believe Christianity is, but Christianity is Not a religion of Love. Christianity is a Gospel Of Hate. Its hatred of Non-Christian religions is legendary.
3.Quote: Matthew 5:21 & 44 which says, "Thou shalt not kill. You shouldn't even be angry with your brother without cause." And "Love your enemies and bless them that curse you!" Christianity is not a religion of violence, but of LOVE.
COMMENT: Actions speak louder than words.
The historical record of Christianity neither supports this quote, nor Christianity’s claim of religion of Love.
Two-thirds of Pagan-Europe was murdered by the soldiers of Jesus Christi, during the Christianization of Europe, and 41 million Native-Americans ( the so-called American-Indians ) were murdered by the Christians in North & South America.
If Christianity is a religion of Love, then it has a singularly-queer way of showing its Love.
4. If you read and quote the entire Bible ( as Signor Peace recommends ), you would discover that Christianity is Absolutely-Terrible. Christian God gives orders to exterminate entire nations, people who had done nothing wrong, and he gives their country & their possessions to their murderers.
“ And thou shalt consume all the people which the LORD thy God shall deliver thee; thine eye shall have no pity upon them. “
Read the whole Bible and learn, how the followers of this Christian God, executed this command to perform large-scale murder & plunder. They committed slaughter after slaughter. They exterminated town after town, region after region. Men, old people, women & children: they killed everybody.
5. You read the entire Bible, to learn how this Christian God, demands unconditional obedience, and threatens his followers, in case they should be disloyal to him, to oppress them in such a way, that they will be compelled to eat their own children.
Many more passages from the Bible can be cited, they are all just as terrible.
You also will learn how this Bible foretells that, one day in the future this Christian God will, destroy this planet Earth & all its inhabitants. You also read about the horrors that, will happen then.
6. Quote from Signor Peace:
Also, Christ instructs us first to rescue our own sheep (the house of Israel) but THEN to go and share his love with the world. Matt 28:19,20. And John 15:12, "This is my commandment that ye love one another, as I have loved you."
COMMENT: Christ also told them to spread his gospel, and that is what the Christians are doing. Christians are told to make disciples of all nations. In the Christian churches of India, Christians are not only saying that their God is better than the rest, but also abuse, ridicule, & denigrate Hindu religion, Hindu gods & goddesses, every day of the week. They also publish a series of Anti-Hindu magazines & pamphlets, calling Hindu religions, and its gods & goddesses absolutely horrible.
From kerala to Kashmir, the Christian missionaries are printing books in different names, denigrating Hinduism and Hindus so that they can carryout mass conversions.
7. Here is one example of Christian publications:
‘Haqeeqat’ 8. (For Hindus) men can be Gods, women can be Goddesses... animals are gods, snakes are gods... they (Hindu Gods) fight among themselves, marry among themselves, throw out their wives, run away with others' wives, they steal, get intoxicated, drink blood, are reincarnated as animals, fish and tortoise, some of them can lift mountains... Some Gods are in same-sex relationships and are yet able to produce babies. These Gods and Goddesses are always armed because they believe in killing and plunder. Some Gods think their penises are more powerful than nuclear bombs. Others like animals live naked among their followers. Some of them spend their time in yogic exercises, others are in samadhi and happy to see the number of blind followers swell... You can wash away your sins by worshipping the penises of Gods.
8. Quote:
Our God offers his love freely, and He bids us to share it....but He does nothing by force or fear!! He wants everyone to have the freedom to choose...He even tells us we can choose our own gods. (Josh 24:15) Why can't our Hindu brothers and sisters allow this love and freedom as well??
COMMENT: If Christian God tells them that we can choose our own gods, then why are the Christians bad-mouthing Hindu gods & goddesses so lavishly ? Is this the kind of Christian love that Signor Peace wants, Hindu brothers & sisters to embody ?
People in India & elsewhere do not hear about Christian aggressions & terrorism, because Christians control Congress, and the Christian Mafia owns the media.
Messages of this type, denigrating gods of other religions, can neither be printed in literature, nor broadcast on TV, they border on criminal activity, and there are laws in the Indian constitution, prohibiting such activity, but these laws are Not enforced. Christians take full advantage of slackness in the enforcement of Indian laws.
9. Christianity’s claim as a religion of peace, love, & brotherhood does not equate with its actions of hate, violence, & terrorism. Its spurious claim only perpetrates & perpetuates fraud. The cruelty & barbarism that Christianity imposes upon Non-Christian religions & people, remains a horrible vision of reality. A rational mind will have plenty of trouble, explaining the Christianity’s Gospel Of Hate.
10 Because Christianity is a Gospel Of Hate, corroborated by its barbaric record, engraved on the pages of history, it hardly qualifies as a religion of peace.
Surinder Paul Attri
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