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1. sURINDER JI:
VERY POWERFUL JOINDER INDEED!
MAY GOD GIVE YOU MORE STRENGTH TO REBUT THESE HYPROCITES.
BEST REGARDS.
NARAIN KATARIA
(718) 478-5735
2. My Take:
Shri Kataria Jee: I am glad you liked my rejoinder. Thanks.
3. I had to summon lots of courage, to make out the material of the Bible. I did try to steady my nerves with a cup of strong coffee, to read things that are absolutely-monstrous. But the un-easy sensation in the pit of my stomach, made me forget that cup of coffee. You cannot read this kind of stuff with a laid-back attitude.
4. The Christian God ( Yahweh ) is much more wicked, much more fiendish than, the Devil whom the Christians & their leader Jesus Christ try to dispatch ( exorcise ). How foolish ? The entire ritual of exorcism, appears to me to be a rogue’s ritual. Come to think of it, every ritual in Christianity is, a ritual of exorcism. That makes Christianity, Devil’s religion. In fact, if there had been no Devil ( a totally-imaginary creature ), then Christianity would have disappeared centuries ago.
5. As I reflect on these notations, my attention shifts to that imbecile Jesus Christ, who calls himself the son of God ( Yahweh ). That makes Jesus Christ the Son Of the Devil, and I expect him to take after his Father. People who worship such a terrible God, can expect nothing good really.
6. It is a pity that, Christians are trying to subject the people of this planet, to the evil Biblical-Doctrine. People of this planet ought to get wise to the shenanigans of Christianity, and show it the door.
Surinder Paul Attri

Rejoinder

FM: swamijyoti to me
Pl give your rejoinder for publication along with comment.
SJ1. Anonymous has left a new comment on your post "The conversion tactics of the Adventist Christian ...":
Regarding this posting: I think if you are going to quote the Bible, it's important that you quote ALL the Bible that deals with the topic at hand...for example, Matthew 5:21 & 44 which says, "Thou shalt not kill. You shouldn't even be angry with your brother without cause." And "Love your enemies and bless them that curse you!" Christianity is not a religion of violence, but of LOVE.
Also, Christ instructs us first to rescue our own sheep (the house of Israel) but THEN to go and share his love with the world. Matt 28:19,20. And John 15:12, "This is my commandment that ye love one another, as I have loved you."
Our God offers his love freely, and He bids us to share it....but He does nothing by force or fear!! He wants everyone to have the freedom to choose...He even tells us we can choose our own gods. (Josh 24:15) Why can't our Hindu brothers and sisters allow this love and freedom as well??
Your Friend,Peace
2. My Take:Signor Peace is defending his Christian faith, with an iron sense of duty., but he is Not well-informed about Christianity at all. If he explores Christianity seriously, he would discover that Christianity is Not a religion of LOVE, that he has been led to believe (and which he claims ). That Christianity is a religion of Love is, what the Christians want you to believe Christianity is, but Christianity is Not a religion of Love. Christianity is a Gospel Of Hate. Its hatred of Non-Christian religions is legendary.
3.Quote: Matthew 5:21 & 44 which says, "Thou shalt not kill. You shouldn't even be angry with your brother without cause." And "Love your enemies and bless them that curse you!" Christianity is not a religion of violence, but of LOVE.COMMENT: Actions speak louder than words.The historical record of Christianity neither supports this quote, nor Christianity’s claim of religion of Love.Two-thirds of Pagan-Europe was murdered by the soldiers of Jesus Christi, during the Christianization of Europe, and 41 million Native-Americans ( the so-called American-Indians ) were murdered by the Christians in North & South America.If Christianity is a religion of Love, then it has a singularly-queer way of showing its Love.
4. If you read and quote the entire Bible ( as Signor Peace recommends ), you would discover that Christianity is Absolutely-Terrible. Christian God gives orders to exterminate entire nations, people who had done nothing wrong, and he gives their country & their possessions to their murderers.
“ And thou shalt consume all the people which the LORD thy God shall deliver thee; thine eye shall have no pity upon them. “
Read the whole Bible and learn, how the followers of this Christian God, executed this command to perform large-scale murder & plunder. They committed slaughter after slaughter. They exterminated town after town, region after region. Men, old people, women & children: they killed everybody.
5. You read the entire Bible, to learn how this Christian God, demands unconditional obedience, and threatens his followers, in case they should be disloyal to him, to oppress them in such a way, that they will be compelled to eat their own children.
Many more passages from the Bible can be cited, they are all just as terrible.You also will learn how this Bible foretells that, one day in the future this Christian God will, destroy this planet Earth & all its inhabitants. You also read about the horrors that, will happen then.
6. Quote from Signor Peace:Also, Christ instructs us first to rescue our own sheep (the house of Israel) but THEN to go and share his love with the world. Matt 28:19,20. And John 15:12, "This is my commandment that ye love one another, as I have loved you."
COMMENT: Christ also told them to spread his gospel, and that is what the Christians are doing. Christians are told to make disciples of all nations. In the Christian churches of India, Christians are not only saying that their God is better than the rest, but also abuse, ridicule, & denigrate Hindu religion, Hindu gods & goddesses, every day of the week. They also publish a series of Anti-Hindu magazines & pamphlets, calling Hindu religions, and its gods & goddesses absolutely horrible.From kerala to Kashmir, the Christian missionaries are printing books in different names, denigrating Hinduism and Hindus so that they can carryout mass conversions.
7. Here is one example of Christian publications:‘Haqeeqat’ 8. (For Hindus) men can be Gods, women can be Goddesses... animals are gods, snakes are gods... they (Hindu Gods) fight among themselves, marry among themselves, throw out their wives, run away with others' wives, they steal, get intoxicated, drink blood, are reincarnated as animals, fish and tortoise, some of them can lift mountains... Some Gods are in same-sex relationships and are yet able to produce babies. These Gods and Goddesses are always armed because they believe in killing and plunder. Some Gods think their penises are more powerful than nuclear bombs. Others like animals live naked among their followers. Some of them spend their time in yogic exercises, others are in samadhi and happy to see the number of blind followers swell... You can wash away your sins by worshipping the penises of Gods.
8. Quote:Our God offers his love freely, and He bids us to share it....but He does nothing by force or fear!! He wants everyone to have the freedom to choose...He even tells us we can choose our own gods. (Josh 24:15) Why can't our Hindu brothers and sisters allow this love and freedom as well??
COMMENT: If Christian God tells them that we can choose our own gods, then why are the Christians bad-mouthing Hindu gods & goddesses so lavishly ? Is this the kind of Christian love that Signor Peace wants, Hindu brothers & sisters to embody ?
People in India & elsewhere do not hear about Christian aggressions & terrorism, because Christians control Congress, and the Christian Mafia owns the media.
Messages of this type, denigrating gods of other religions, can neither be printed in literature, nor broadcast on TV, they border on criminal activity, and there are laws in the Indian constitution, prohibiting such activity, but these laws are Not enforced. Christians take full advantage of slackness in the enforcement of Indian laws.
9. Christianity’s claim as a religion of peace, love, & brotherhood does not equate with its actions of hate, violence, & terrorism. Its spurious claim only perpetrates & perpetuates fraud. The cruelty & barbarism that Christianity imposes upon Non-Christian religions & people, remains a horrible vision of reality. A rational mind will have plenty of trouble, explaining the Christianity’s Gospel Of Hate.
10 Because Christianity is a Gospel Of Hate, corroborated by its barbaric record, engraved on the pages of history, it hardly qualifies as a religion of peace.
Surinder Paul Attri

HONOR-KILLING IN PAKISTAN

HONOR-KILLING IN PAKISTAN
By S.P. Attri ( USA )
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1. Pakistan has several claims to its fame, but Honor-Killing ( of women & girls ) is the biggest feather in the cap of Pakistan. This feather reveals the true extent of its madness for the honor of Islam, through the dis-honor of its women & lays bare its utter depravity & evil, through the degradation of its Moslem women. Some punishments meted out to women are even more cursed than death.
MULTAN, Pakistan July 2 — A Pakistani tribal council ordered an 18-year-old girl to be gang-raped in order to punish her family after her brother was seen walking with a girl from a higher class tribe, police said Tuesday.
2. It is not known to many that, the legal & social status of womankind in Al-Islam is Exceptionally-Low. Moslem wife has many disadvantages compared with her Non-Moslem sisters. A Moslem man treats his woman/women as if they were created by Allah, only for his pleasure, as his sex-objects. He carries no reverence, regard nor any respect for what she is, her worth as a vehicle of life or a vehicle of creation ( for which status the Hindus call her a goddess ). A Moslem man sees no such greatness in his woman/women, he only sees her as a source of danger to him.
Ibn Warraq quotes Shaykh & Abu Nuwas:
Women are demons and were born as such
No one can trust them as is known to all
If they love a man it is only out of caprice
And he to whom they are most cruel loves them most
Beings full of treachery & trickery, I aver
That man that loves you truly is a lost man
3. A complete inventory of a woman’s faults as seen by Moslem men & by their famous leader, Hazrat Mohammad ( such as deceit, guile, ingratitude, greed, insatiable lust, etc, in short a gateway to hell ) would fill a good sized book. It reveals the great contempt that a Moslem man feels for woman. It leaves no doubt at all that Islam relegates women to the status of inferior beings. That is why Islam degrades women.
4. To describe Islam as sex-positive, as is done by Moslems & some apologists for Islam, is huge Phoney-Baloney, it is the biggest insult to all Moslem women. Islam regards woman’s sexuality as something un-holy, something to be feared, something to be repressed, something that is a work of the Shaitaan (Devil ). That is why the Moslem man feels great contempt for the woman. It may seem incredible that Islam has been able to maintain such a terrible hold on the life of the Moslem people. But Islam’s control has been made easy because of its totalitarian nature. Islamic law controls the religious, social, and political life of all Moslems, without qualification. The all-embracing ( with total control ) Islamic law does not distinguish between ritual law, ethics, and good manners. It intrudes into every nook & corner of the believer’s life & of the Islamic community. In its simplicity, Islamic law is a doctrine of duties, these are the duties which are susceptible to control by human authority ( the Islamic Clergy ) instituted in the name of Allah.
5. Islam’s barbaric conquests, trampled under foot, and permanently destroyed many advanced cultures. Islam’s aggressiveness & its dark theology continue un-abated, cutting off generations of people from their rich cultural heritage, and destroying the well-being of the people, especially of the Moslem women, who are under its direct control.
Honor-Killing which is wide-spread in Pakistan is a by-product of the teachings of Islam, which prescribes male control of women. Most Moslem women accept the Prescribed ( Prescribed by Islam ) male control over every aspect of their life, their bodies, their speech & behavior, as part of their KISMET ( Fate ). But Moslem men regard their prescribed Islamic role as an established & un-impeachable proprietary right over women, and they exercise this right/control with violence.
6. A Moslem woman who has been subjected to rape, brings shame to her family, just as she would if she engaged in a consensual relationship, she is considered no damn good. The rapist often goes Scot-Free, largely because of the absence of male-witnesses to the rape (a queer code of Islamic Law ), a woman’s evidence does not account for anything. A woman raped shames the community, and dishonors her man ( her husband ) but does not dishonor the rapist. She has to be eliminated to restore the honor of the family, and of the community. But rape is not the only reason for honor-killing in Pakistan.
Honor-killing can occur during a divorce or during the choice of a marriage partner, or for a variety of other reasons. The perpetrators of honor-killing are seldom punished because the Moslem society, the police & the judges, have a well-marked gender-bias, in direct obedience to the teachings of Islam.
7. In civilized societies, both men & women are entitled to equal rights, but such is not the case in Islamic societies, and certainly not in Pakistan. In Pakistan, the right to life for women is “ conditional ,“ it depends upon Islamic rules, social norms & customs of Islamic societies. Women in Pakistan ( and in Islam in general ) are killed like hen, they neither have any say in what happens to them, nor have they any way of escaping. All kinds of violence & abuse are heaped upon the women of Pakistan, at the hands of male perpetrators, family members, and state agents. Violence include rape, domestic abuse, spousal murder, mutilation, burning, disfiguring faces by acid, beatings, custodial-torture, and HONOR-KILLING.
Hundreds of women of Pakistan are reportedly killed each year, in all parts of the country, all of them in the name of honor. Many more killings go un-reported. The teachings of Islam, which prescribes seclusion, and submission of women to men, bountifully contribute to the murder of Moslem women..
8. If women ever exert their own right, it leads to more repression & punishment. State indifference, Islamic teachings & Islamic laws, and gender bias of police & judiciary, ensure a total impunity for the perpetrators of honor-killing.
The use of the term “ Honor “ is as Dishonorable as can be. It is only a pretax to murder women & commit heinous crimes against them. Does anybody in Pakistan raise his voice when, women are openly sold in the market ? Is this an honorable thing to do ?
9. But in the Islamic system of Pakistan, the concepts of right & wrong are Basackward. The man to whom a woman belongs, whether a wife, sister or daughter, has to kill her, in order to restore his honor. In Pakistan, he becomes the victim, as he has suffered loss, first to his honor, and then of the woman he has to kill. Consequently, he becomes the aggrieved person, and the sympathies of the entire family ( tribe ) go with him. As a result, the killer ( the man who kills his woman ) becomes the GHAIRAT-MAAN ( one who possesses honor ), and he is supported morally & legally by all his relatives. On the other hand, a man who fails to kill a women of his household is considered BE-GHAIRAT ( one who is without honor ). As a result of this Basackward custom, honor-killings are not hidden away, but openly performed, often ritually & by spilling maximum blood.
The people who do these killings, take pride in their actions, when in fact they should be ashamed of their dishonorable act & not take pride.
The progressive brutalization of Pakistani society, over the past few decades, is partly responsible for increasing incidences of honor-killings.
10. The male control of woman in Islam, has turned woman into a commodity. This commodification of woman directly contributes to the honor killing. The woman is treated as a commodity or object, which can be exchanged, bought & sold ( as she is considered property of the males in the family ). A woman is thus equated with money. Even though the woman has monetary value, her worth is essentially that of a commodity, which means that she may be butchered if, she transgresses the conditions under which, she is bound to man for life. She may also be freely traded or given away, as part of a Karo-Kari settlement.
Surinder Paul Attri

SLAMIC law has been officially adopted in Britain

1. 1. Quote:SLAMIC law has been officially adopted in Britain, with sharia courts given powers to rule on Muslim civil cases.
2. 2. COMMENT: What is wrong with the Lymeez ?Do they ( the Britishers ) know what the hell they ( the British ) are getting into ?Sharia is going to get them into a heap of trouble.Why are they asking for punishment ? Don't they know that:Islamic law springs directly out of Quran & Hadis, & is sanctified by Allah's words.
3. 3. Everything in Islamic law is diametrically-opposed to anything that, the British society stands for.
4. 4. Crazy Lymeez !

Surinder Paul Attri

CHRISTIANS OF ORISSA

CHRISTIANS OF ORISSA
By S.P. Attri ( USA )
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1. At this point in time, the Christians of Orissa are putting up, a great-big ( but un-dignified ) show of Christian-victims of Hindu Intolerance. Touting peacefulness of Christianity ( what a joke ? ), the non-violent Christian is now giving lessons of tolerance to the violent & intolerant Hindu. Look who is talking ? Would this peaceful Christian share a piece of Christian history with us ? Would this peaceful Christian dare to look at the murder of two-thirds of Pagan-Europe, during the Christianization of Europe, or at the slaughter of 40 million native Americans of North & South America, by the soldiers of Jesus Christ ?
2. Christianity is hardly a sterling example of tolerance or of peace with Non-Christian religions, and the strategy of the Christians of Orissa to conceal their crusading (largely fraudulent ) activities, is going to backfire. No matter how hard they try to camouflage their treachery, they are not going to be terribly good at it, Christianity’s connections with hatred of Non-Christian religions are too strong, to be hidden behind a camouflage of peaceful Christian intents. In the climate of today, the Hindus are waking up. They are more alert to the threat that they are facing, from an Intolerant & Crusading Christianity.. 2. Christians of Orissa have another problem. They cannot let go of their aggressiveness & intolerance of Non-Christian religions, this hatred is part & parcel of their Christian belief system. There are lots of un-ethical & imbecilic crusaders amongst the Christians of Orissa. These shady characters have flocked together for a serious campaign of proselytism in Orissa. They will not stop pushing the proselytism agenda of Christianity. They will not go against the letter of the Bible. For them, proselytism is the center-piece of Christianity.
3. Because of the built-in Christian-Compulsions & domineering posture of Christianity, Christians try to impose Jesus on every one they come across ( Hindus do no such thing to Non-Hindus ), pretending that their Holy Book is better than every one else’s, which is phoney-baloney. They put labels like “ animistic, “ “animal worship, “idol worship “ on the Hindu tribals, and they claim that they are better than any one else, which is certainly not the case, and their claim is as bogus as can be. Does this leave any doubt or room for skepticism that Christianity Is A Gospel Of Hate ( Hatred Of Non-Christian Religions ) ?
4. Christians have just written a book in the Kuduk language ( one of the main tribal languages in Jharkhand ). The book has been brought out by the Bible Society of India (BSI).
What this book says is:
"Destroy the trees and Sarna (tribals' worship places)."
Add to that the “ Gloom & Doom “ scenario & future for the tribals ( Hindu-Tribals ), which the Christians are predicting for the Hindu-Tribals, if they don’t embrace Christianity.
You will never get the Christians to admit their aggressiveness, but aggressive they certainly are, and their intention is nothing short, of the total destruction of the tribal society, culture, and the tribal Hindu religion. Yet these same Christians claim to be following the region of peace, love, and Brotherhood. The hypocrisy of the Christians is legendary. 5. One characteristic of Christianity is that, its treachery & aggressiveness is always cloaked in message/camouflage of peace, love, and brotherhood. This is a great fraud, it is not all that sophisticated either, but it does work, it fools a lot of simple folks, who are trusting by nature, and do not or cannot detect the trickery of Christianity. As a consequence, the fraud of Christianity, works like gang-busters., and lots of simple folks are trapped inside the prison-house of Christianity.
The simple truth is that Christianity has nothing but deep-seated contempt for “ all “ Non-Christian religions, it wants to replace all of them. Christianity can neither deny nor conceal this Christian design.
6. The situation in Orissa is bad, and it is getting worse. The aggressive proselytism campaigns of the Christians of Orissa are liable to lead, to more Hindu counteraction, and the crusading campaigns of Christianity, are liable to turn into pain & payback for Christian treachery, trickery, lies & fraud. Unfortunately, resentful-swipes of the Hindu counteraction, do not last very long, and conversion activities of the Christians, by fraudulent means resumes soon after.
6. To sum up: The kind of concealed-hypocrisy, that is conducted by Christians of Orissa & of elsewhere, not only creates hate & animosity, but is more likely to augment Hindu Anger, who might beat the crap out of the Christian goons of Orissa & elsewhere. The way things are going, the large-scale harvesting of Hindu souls ( souls of Hindu tribals ) as envisaged by Pope & his lieutenants, shall have to wait a long time.
Surinder Paul Attri

THE FRAUD OF THE GHOUL OF CALCUTTA ( Mother Theresa )

THE FRAUD OF THE GHOUL OF CALCUTTA ( Mother Theresa )
By S.P. Attri ( USA )
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1. The Ghoul of Calcutta, Mother Theresa ( MT ) kicked the bucket several years ago, but her synthetic-deception continues. It is a deception that ought to be put, on the evening news. Donations to her Missionaries of Charity ( MOT ), continue to pour in like nobody’s business even now, even though MT has been history for several years, and even though MT vowed to live in poverty. The question that pertinently arises is:What happened to so much money that she collected, & is still pouring in ? The poorest of the poor ( POP ), for whom this money is donated, don’t get any of it. MT claimed that she dedicated her life to POP, but the POP complain that: “ They don’t get their grub from MOT at all, they get their seedy & shoddy offerings from somebody, who may shovel some rice & lentils, into their plastic bag, out of the goodness of his heart. “
2. If you go to the slums & ask the same question from the skid-row boys over there, you get the same answer, that is they get neither a trinket nor trivia from MOT. In fact, they wonder why educated people of the West, have made MT into such a goddess, when she is nothing of the sort. They seem to be aware that MOT gets lots of donations, but none of it finds its way to them. They seem to know that sisters of MOT collect lots of money, but don’t have the slightest idea, what they do with it. No body in the slums benefits from the huge sums of money collected, in the name of the POP. It is so scandalous & shameful, and the POP are outraged by the enormity of this transgression.
3. No matter which slum you go to, and where you search in the slums, you find lies, fabrication, & fiction. MT often stated that she runs a school in Calcutta, for more than 500 children. But where is this school ?Indian laws require that, charitable organization publish their accounts, but MT’s organization totally ignores this requirement. When Ministry of Finance is queried, on the same item, the stock answer is:“ This query is classified information. “The fiction of MT’s outfit & its devious ways, is neither in dispute nor is a question at issue. It puts the trustworthiness MT’s outfit in considerable doubt.
4. Despite receiving copious amounts of donations, even those few POP that MOT portends to help, are not receiving charitable help at all. MOT withholds help from the starving POP’s & the orphans. In fact, catastrophic conditions prevail in MT homes. The patients are not isolated & syringes are being washed in lukewarm water, before being used again. Even patients in severe pain, are refused pain-killers. The justification for this inhuman treatment of the POP, has its origins in MT’s belief that:“ The most beautiful gift for a person ( POPs included ) is, that he can participate in the suffering of Christ.MT stated proudly that:“ She is far more concerned with life after death, than with the present mortal life. “
5. The pity of it all is that:The sisters of MOT are perpetuating the extra-ordinary myth , that was started by MT.They collect huge sums of money, in the name of the POP, but hardly vector this money in the direction of the POP. It is very scurrilous & offensive.
Surinder Paul Attri

UPA’s SOFT-APPROACH IS ENHANCING TERRORISM IN INDIA

UPA’s SOFT-APPROACH IS ENHANCING TERRORISM IN INDIA
By S.P. Attri ( USA )
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1. The substantial-success of operation BAD ( Bangalore, Ahmadabad, & Delhi ) un-mistakably establishes that, the soft approach of the UPA government is not working, in fact it is increasing terrorism in India. UPA’s defective approaches, like the revocation of POTA, suspension of capital punishment of prominent terrorists ( such as Afzal Guru ), & soft-conversation of political leaders with the relatives & dependents of terrorists, encourage the terrorists rather than deter them. It emboldens the terrorists to make further assaults at additional sites, practically all across India. It is worth understanding that, UPA is going out of its way, to be nice to the Moslems, with a view towards vote-bank politics. The truth is that UPA is not a fighter against terrorists, it is only making a pretense of fighting terrorism.
2. The basic cause of UPA’s soft approach towards terrorism, is due to its commitment towards a fictional Hindu-Muslim Unity, as a result of which it issues perfunctory advice to the Indian people, to remain calm, rather than go after the terrorists in real earnest & root them out. Most of the UPA partners are of the Phoney-Liberal brand, they are also totally ignorant about the real nature of Islam. Consequently, they act like master-hypocrites, and do not want to believe what they see clearly. But regardless of how hard they try, the Hindu-Muslim Unity remains more elusive than ever before. In spite of all this evidence, UPA remains committed to this fiction. Not only that, UPA has made Hindu-Muslim Unity, at the mercy of the Moslems, and is treating the Hindus as Enemy # 1.
3. UPA’s gargantuan ignorance of Hindu-Muslim Unity, is beyond belief or description. Hindu-Muslim Unity concept is not something new. It has existed since 1916 (lukknow pact ) & ever since has had disastrous results. Despite more & more concessions offered to the Moslems, the concessions have never been enough to suit the convenience of the Moslems, & Hindu-Muslim Unity has been a lost cause.
4. It is time for the Hindus to realize that, Hindu-Muslim Unity is an absurd concept, due to the nature of Islam, which divides humanity into two warring camps, Allah’s Party & Devil’s Kafir-Party. The Devil’s Kafir Party is a wretched lot & Moslems can neither accept this wretched-bunch, nor can co-operate with it.
Hindus ought to face the unpleasant reality that, instead of chasing fictional Hindu-Muslim Unity, they ought to go after the Sullas ( especially the terrorist types ) , kick their A**, until terrorism is no more, and the myth of the superiority of Allah’s religion has been exploded.
Surinder Paul Attri