Subj: Kashmiri Muslims protesting in Bangalore
1. Quote: Chori aur upar se seena JoriCOMMENT: Nuts !These Kashmirir-Sullas are traitors, and ought to be treated like traitors.Just because they are Sullas, they are not doing any favor to the Hindus of Bangalore.Hindus of Bangalore ought to do, what the Hindus of Mumbai are already doing, that is, refuse to sell or rent any land or house to the Sullas. Even stronger measures are available to the Hindus of Bangalore ( and to the Hindus of other places as well ), but this step would be a good start. It would get the attention of the Sullas.
2. Hindus need to get tough with the Sullas, who are Laaton Ke Bhoot. And:“ Laaton Ke Bhoot, Baaton Se Nahin Maante. “
Surinder Paul Attri
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Dear Hinduism Defense, please give some space to the following article from Sri Lanka...please forward it to Hindu sites that you know. Christians are doin the same thing in Sri Lanka as they are in India.
The truth about the "Attack on The Talahena Calvary Church" in Sri Lanka
The Centre for Buddhist Action
In mid July 2008 emails were circulating among Christian circles both local and international, through their Christian news networks titled "Sri Lankan Church Under Attack...very serious..."
This propaganda campaign commenced on 10th July when Ted Rubesh (Vice President) and George Niranjan (General Supervisor) of the Four Square Gospel Church sent out a message about the Talahena Calvary Church "coming under attack by a mob of Buddhist monks and supporters just last Sunday." The Four Square Gospel Church, for those who are unaware, was implicated earlier this year in transporting suicide bomb jackets to the south of the country. Three of its pastors were arrested for transporting around 30 suicide cadres of the LTTE using church vans to Kandy and Nuwara Eliya through the town of Mannar. How aiding and abetting a terrorist organisation banned in several countries fits in with the teachings of Jesus Christ is beyond the scope of this article.
Stories about "attacks" on fundamentalist groups are not uncommon things to be circulated among Christian news networks because their intention, as always, is to portray Christian evangelists as "martyrs," and claim to the world that Buddhists and Buddhist monks in Sri Lanka are intolerant people who do not respect minority religions. By spreading distorted half truths, certain Christian churches (both of the orthodox and born again variety) hope to gain the sympathy of unsuspecting Christians in order to build up an anti-Sri Lankan/anti-Buddhist propaganda network that will further their aggressive agenda of conversion.
It is an unfortunate thing to say, but duplicity and deception are not uncommon characteristics of the various Christian fundamentalist groups currently attempting to convert Sri Lanka into a Christian country. With a gung-ho attitude, and financial backing from their supporters in the west, these 'Christian soldiers' are obsessed with 'harvesting souls' for their god through their so-called "outreach programmes," by which they hope to "save" the "heathen Buddhists and Hindus." To these Christian fundamentalists, all those who follow non-Christian traditions are "groping in a spiritual vacuum" and "need to be brought to the light of Jesus."
Even though it maybe considered a waste of time writing about the ignorant and extremist attitude of Christian evangelical groups as it has been done so many times before by many others (including liberal Christians), it is absolutely necessary to explain how their lies come into being. There is always a "cause" and an "effect" to incidents that have transpired and will transpire with Christian missionaries intruding into predominantly Buddhist and Hindu villages and aggressively trying to impose Christianity on the residents - even when it is most unwelcome.
Sri Lankan Buddhists have been extremely tolerant and accommodating towards other religions and their hospitality is all too well known. It is this hospitality and tolerance that has been sadly abused and insulted by Christian invaders - first by the colonials who destroyed countless Buddhist temples and monasteries, killed Buddhist monks and banned Buddhism for close to 500 years, and now by new Christian evangelical groups that offer no respect to non-Christian traditions and insist on trying to convert the island into a Christian one.
The story of the Talahena Calvary Church coming under attack is one such example of how Christian fundamentalists have abused Buddhist hospitality in the area where they have set up shop. Having pushed, goaded and annoyed the non-Christian residents through hate speech and aggressive and unethical proselytism, it is always easier to cry foul and relate a sob story to gain sympathy and deflect attention from the truth. The numerous orthodox as well as Charismatic churches operating in Sri Lanka have shown that they are extremely skilled in this art.
Background information on the activities of Pastor S. Roshan Andriesen at 3D, Araliya Pedesa, Talahena is as follows:
Residents of Araliya Pedesa, Talahena are 98% Buddhist with only 3 families all of whom are immediate family members of Pastor Roshan being Christians. Residents of the surrounding locality outside Araliya Pedesa are 100% Buddhist.
1. About 7-8 years ago, Pastor Roshan and his family established the Timothy Montessori school at Araliya Pedesa. All the children attending this Montessori school are Buddhist children, with the total number of children being approximately 30. There are 2 teachers, both of whom are Christians.
Parents who send their children to this Montessori school do it in the hope that their children will be given a good foundation in the basics of education but not to become Christian converts. However, it has been reported that Pastor Roshan and the teachers have been surreptitiously attempting to indoctrinate these children into Christianity and Christian habits and attempting to convert the families of these children as well.
2. During 2005-2006 Pastor Roshan had purchased 4 perches of land next to his residence with the address as 3-C1, Araliya Pedesa, Talahena. The land adjoins the Timothy Montessori school on one side, and another residence on the other side.
Subsequently in 2007, Pastor Roshan applied to the local Urban Development Authority (UDA) to obtain approval for a plan to construct a building on the 4 perches of land. The application was rejected by the UDA. It is illegal to construct permanent residential buildings on land less than 6 perches in extent. But despite having the application rejected by the UDA, Pastor Roshan began to illegally proceed with construction work while claiming to the neighbourhood that approval had been granted. Once the structure had been completed, the neighbourhood realized that the building was actually a church (later named the Talahena Calvary Church) with a long hall, a stage, and a huge cross fixed to the back wall.
Pastor Roshan began conducting prayer sessions on a daily basis at his illegally constructed church. The praying, the singing and the shouting common at Charismatic churches were broadcast around the locality through the use of loud speakers. The residents of Araliya Pedesa which include the sick, the aged and infants were continuously disturbed by the raucous noise emanating from the church - a church which was not supposed to be there according to the law.
In addition to the noise, so called "healing through prayer" sessions were commenced by the Calvary Church. Pastor Roshan began to bring in people from outside Talahena from areas like Malabe, Hokandara and Thalawathugoda. Unable to bear the noise and the crowds any longer, the residents made complaints to the nearby police station and the UDA on the noise pollution which disturbed the peace and quiet of the area.
3. The Urban Development Authority (UDA) which had originally rejected the application made by Pastor Roshan to construct a building at 3-C1, Araliya Pedesa, Talahena sent inspectors to carry out an investigation in December 2007. The investigation revealed that the land in the said premises was owned by Pastor Roshan, that his application to construct a building had been rejected by UDA originally, and that Pastor Roshan had illegally constructed the said building against the ruling given by the UDA.
Subsequently, a case was filed by the UDA against Pastor Roshan in the Kaduwela Magistrate's Courts with Case No. 10171/8 in which he was given a ruling under point 5 of the Magistrate's Determination that the structure was illegal and that it must be demolished on or before 2nd April 2008 under Act No. 4 of 1982 and Act No. 44 of 1984 of the UDA Act which are Amendments to Clause No.28 (1) with special reference to sub-sections a, b, c of Act No.41 of 1978. The UDA by their letter reference 13/61/6774 (C) dated 18th March 2008 had also informed him of their decision.
Under point 7 of the Magistrate's Determination, the Petitioner UDA also declared that the Respondent Pastor Roshan had disregarded the Order given to him.
4. Time and time again, the residents of Araliya Pedesa had repeatedly requested Pastor Roshan to cease the noisy 'Prayer Sessions' and 'Healing Sessions' because their loud broadcast was a nuisance to the sick, the aged and infants in the vicinity but he had disregarded and shown absolute contempt to their appeals. Residents had also made official complaints to the nearest Police Station which is Talangama Police but no action was taken by them.
5. 6th July 2008 - The build up to what was termed "Attack on Calvary Church, Talahena"
On the evening of 5th July some hue and cry from Pastor Roshan's house had been heard to the effect that someone had damaged a part of the cross inside his building. How on earth could anyone enter the premises without being detected by church members is not known, except for the fact that they themselves got it done to enable them to make a complaint at the Police Station in order to get police protection for their activities. Devious as it may sound, such instances are quite well known in Sri Lanka where Christian groups themselves damage their own Prayer Centres and then try and implicate Buddhists or Hindus as the culprits so they can claim to be Christian 'martyrs', obtain monetary compensation, and the protection of the police.
On 6th July 2008 some Buddhist monks accompanied by the Chief Priest of the Buddhist Temple in the area visited 3-C1, Araliya Pedesa to discuss the issue and plead with Pastor Roshan to reconsider his activities which were causing tension in the area. But instead of engaging in discussion, Pastor Roshan and a relative of his, together with some female followers had attempted to pull the Chief Priest by the robe and assault him while cursing in foul language. When onlookers witnessed the rude manner in which Pastor Roshan and his followers had treated the Buddhist Monks they were naturally incensed.
Pastor Roshan and his followers had further stated 'If necessary, we will get down even the LTTE from Jaffna to attack you if necessary." Talahena is a predominantly Sinhalese area and many of the so called adherents that are brought from outside to the Calvary Church of Pastor Roshan belong to the Tamil community whose true identities are not known by the residents. Given the security situation in the country, the local residents were naturally apprehensive about total strangers entering their locality.
Till the crowd was dispersed, Pastor Roshan and his father were seen walking around amidst the crowd and there was no sign of them having been beaten as is reported in the email circulated by the Christian news networks. However, much later in the evening after the confrontation mentioned above, Pastor Roshan claimed he was 'beaten' and took himself to hospital. Rather than going to the nearest hospital which is the Talangama Koswatte Government Hospital and where residents could have gone to examine the validity of his claims, he instead took the scenic route to the Kalubowila Government Hospital which is 10-15 km away. The pictures that were emailed around showing Pastor Roshan lying on the ground were not incidents which took place while the crowd was supposed to have been attacking Pastor Roshan. They were staged afterwards to show a morbid picture to the outside world. Pastor Roshan, it would seem, is not only a devious Christian priest who has no respect for the law, but a highly talented actor as well.
Carrying on with the charade, Pastor Roshan later made a complaint to the Talangama Koswatte Police Station claiming that he and his relatives had been assaulted and that he had been hospitalized as a result.
When asked to name any suspects, Pastor Roshan had listed out the names of all the residents at Araliya Pedesa, Talahena. Some of the 'suspects' named by him had not even been anywhere in the vicinity or even in Colombo for that matter. Most of the 'suspects' Pastor Roshan named were retirees who are in the range of 56-75 years of age. So it seems quite obvious that dishonesty is very much a part of Pastor Roshan's lifestyle.
6. Even though Pastor Roshan professes to be able to cure ailments through prayer and for which unsuspecting people are brought from outside the locality, it is highly ironic that his wife's aunt who is a Buddhist married to a Christian and suffering from cancer has so far not been cured by him. The patient is now in a late stage of the illness and had pleaded with the Chief Priest of the nearby Buddhist temple to visit their home and chant Buddhist suttas as a way for her get some consolation from the pains she was going through. Even though the Christian members of the family had attempted to assault the Chief Priest, he had very kindly consented to the request of the patient, visited the house and conducted the Buddhist religious observances as requested by the patient. It seems ironic that Pastor Roshan has not been able to exhibit his talents at curing one of his own family members before he attempts to cure outsiders.
7. Most of the disharmony between Christians and Buddhists/Hindus in this part of the world are initiated and created by Christian groups themselves - not by Buddhists or Hindus living in those areas.The case in reference to Pastor Roshan and the Calvary Church at Talahena is just one such example. There are many similar reports that do not reach the news because Buddhists and Hindus are not as organised and media savvy as the various Christian groups that have made it a business to 'harvest souls for God.'
Whether in Sri Lanka or India, the story is the same. When a locality has a 100% Buddhist or Hindu population living in the area, suddenly a Charismatic church enters the locality and erects what they call "a community centre." The tolerant Buddhists and Hindus welcome them in with open arms. Then the Christian groups begin to transport "lured followers" from outside the locality to show the residents of the area in and around where the new centre has come up that they have a large following. Then comes the distribution of leaflets that claim only Christianity is the truth and that other religions are false and inspired by Satan. Monetary and material inducements are then used to gain converts. Buddhist and Hindu traditions are condemned and converts are taught to despise and abandon them. The area begins to be divided long religious lines and into the "spritual battlefield" that many Christian priests long for.
In a multi-religious area, it is understandable that places of worship belonging to different traditions would exist to serve the spiritual needs of the local population. However, in areas such as Talahena where only 3-5 Christian families exist in an area where there are 1700-1800 families who are all Buddhist, one has to wonder about the move to aggressively "plant churches" even by breaking the law. That said, having entered such localities, if Christian groups attempt to live in harmony the Buddhist and Hindu residents will tolerate and accept them with open arms, but what non-Christians experience in places like Talahena is not reciprocity but the arrogance of Christian priests such as Pastor Roshan along with thuggery and blatant dishonesty. This is certainly not the way to further religious harmony in the country.
Subj: Mighty-Mouse Jesus
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Message From:
diana wilson dwilsontx@yahoo. com
As a six year old, I began asking questions too and was sometimes ushered out of Sunday School.
Christianity, in fact, all religions mean...NO QUESTIONS ALLOWED....YOU WILL BE INDOCTRINATED OR GO TO HELL.
One of my first memories is to compare jesus, this bloody dead guy hanging on a stick, all beaten up....tied up, and helpless, with my favorite cartoon....Mighty Mouse. "Here I come to save the day, Mighty Mouse is on his wayyyyyyyyyy! "
The point is, that as a six year old child, I couldn't understand how this bloody dead guy with his eyes closed nailed to a big stick....was a powerful god. I saw Mighty Mouse every day, and he put on his cape, flew through the air and rescued people all the time.
I never saw anything about jesus flying in to save anyone. They said he stood on a rock and passed a bunch of fishes and bread around which he magically turned into more stuff, but that did not make an impression on me. jesus never saved people from bad guys, jesus never put on his cape and flew around to keep a dam from breaking and drowning thousands of people....so what was the use of jesus? As a kid I just couldn't figure it out. Mighty Mouse could do a lot of stuff that jesus couldn't.
So in comparing Mighty Mouse and jesus....of course, MIghty Mouse won hands down. Of course, sooner or later I was brainwashed like all the other little kids...and soon forgot about Mighty Mouse.
Secretly, Mighty Mouse is still my hero of choice. In retrospect, I still don't understand how they can choose some bloody dead guy, blood dripping down his face, all beaten up, nails impaling him on a stick....who couldn't even save himself from being killed. And they want me to believe this guy is a god????? Oh pulllleeeze.
Poor jesus, he needed Mighty Mouse to come in and save him.
Hugs, Diana.
2. My Take:
Pretty Smart, Diana Wilson.
Quote: One of my first memories is to compare jesus, this bloody dead guy hanging on a stick, all beaten up....tied up, and helpless, with my favorite cartoon....Mighty Mouse. "Here I come to save the day, Mighty Mouse is on his wayyyyyyyyyy! "
COMMENT: Christians have assigned high-sounding phrases, feats, & features to Jesus Christ, but Jesus is Not what he is made out to be. Just as a tree is judged by its fruit, Jesus Christ can be decided on the nature of his Christianity. Christianity reveals itself as the most revolting & repulsive crime, and the deepest shame of Western civilization. The church has built an elaborate concept of the infallibility of Jesus, when in fact Jesus is quite a questionable character, and is the creator of Christianity’s horrible history. Psychologists would diagnose Mighty-Mouse Jesus as a Sickie ( mentally sick man ).
3. Quote: The point is, that as a six year old child, I couldn't understand how this bloody dead guy with his eyes closed nailed to a big stick....was a powerful god. I saw Mighty Mouse every day, and he put on his cape, flew through the air and rescued people all the time.
COMMENT: The concept of a powerful god, assigned by the church to Jesus, is the Big Lie technique used by the church, to propagate their superstitious nonsense. Smart people cannot give quarter to this dark figure ( Mighty-Mouse Jesus ), even less to his darker-doctrines. The West seems to have seen through the hollowness of Christianity’s claims. That is why Christianity is collapsing in the West, as can be viewed from the progressively declining number of believing Christians in the West.
4. Quote: I never saw anything about jesus flying in to save anyone. They said he stood on a rock and passed a bunch of fishes and bread around which he magically turned into more stuff, but that did not make an impression on me. jesus never saved people from bad guys, jesus never put on his cape and flew around to keep a dam from breaking and drowning thousands of people....so what was the use of jesus? As a kid I just couldn't figure it out. Mighty Mouse could do a lot of stuff that jesus couldn't.
COMMENT: How could Mighty-Mouse Jesus, the Jesus of fiction, fly in the air or save anyone, when he could not even wipe his own A** ? When nailed on the cross, he cried Uncle ( Daddy ). When Daddy did not arrive, he had to compose himself as a cheat, as a failed Jewish revolutionary, a leader of bandits who was executed by the Romans. Anyone who believes the meaningless & ludicrous stories about Mighty-Mouse Jesus, can believe anything.
5. Quote: So in comparing Mighty Mouse and jesus....of course, MIghty Mouse won hands down. Of course, sooner or later I was brainwashed like all the other little kids...and soon forgot about Mighty Mouse.
COMMENT: Super-Mouse or Mighty-Mouse, with a blue cape or yellow cape, is much more powerful & invulnerable, compared with Jesus of fiction. Here comes the Mighty-Mouse to save the day. Jesus did not have much capability, except as a lover of Mary Magdalene or a hedonistic libertine.
6. Quote: Secretly, Mighty Mouse is still my hero of choice. In retrospect, I still don't understand how they can choose some bloody dead guy, blood dripping down his face, all beaten up, nails impaling him on a stick....who couldn't even save himself from being killed. And they want me to believe this guy is a god????? Oh pulllleeeze.
COMMENT: The imbeciles of the church frequently suspend the laws of nature, for the benefit of Jesus & of the church, rather than engage in the laborious work of investigation. The darkness of their passion, concocts cock-and-bull stories & characteristics about Mighty-Mouse Jesus, characteristics that he did not possess.
7. Quote: Poor jesus, he needed Mighty Mouse to come in and save him.
COMMENT: Truth is what is missing from the stories of Mighty-Mouse Jesus, concocted by the church. Yes, Mighty Mouse comes in handy to save Jesus, although Jesus is Not aware of Mighty-Mouse’s doing.
Surinder Paul Attri
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